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Subject: ARENA, RATING, & DIVISION Impressions/Feedback

good thing that assists count for your rating, but k/d spread should be more important in your rating

  • 05.19.2010 4:35 AM PDT
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the surest way to remain poor is to be honest lulz

I was hesistant @ the start but I ended up loving Arena and the numbers even more

  • 05.19.2010 5:55 AM PDT
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I started arena on the the first wendsday and my lowest rating was 1657 and my highest rating was 1701 and the rest where in the 1670s 1680s 1690s but after my 9th or 8th day a got a RATTING OF BRONZE (2). have friends that have had scores of 1640 as there highest and they have got onix (5)and thats ridiculus scince im better than them. So in the beta i want them to tell you what u need a avrage ever month to get in a certain division.

  • 05.19.2010 6:40 AM PDT
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nyaa

I would like a more comprehensive way to see where I am sitting arena rating and ranking wise at any time, and why. I also agree with the assertion that deaths are weighted too lightly. I got no benefit from going positive in kill death ratio and being a good assistant for most of the games of my season because my play style is cautious so I'm not getting as many kills per minute as some suicide bombers.

A good, cautious headshot and tactics player should be able to compete in the rankings with a run and gun player who rushes for the power weapons and kisses the respawn fairy every half a minute.

PS. a good compromise might be to weight deaths vs what weapon you were killed with. Make dieing with power weapons be less of a punishment then melee and small arms. This would make it not so painful to be blasted by some of the more unavoidable deaths but still give rush style players a reason to avoid the inevitable deaths they recieve from being taken down by multiple enemies smaller weapons.

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  • 05.19.2010 9:49 AM PDT
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do u know when season 2 arena starts and ends?

  • 05.19.2010 10:02 AM PDT
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Bring back Halo 2's ranking system.

  • 05.19.2010 10:08 AM PDT
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For ultimate competitive play, Bungie should strongly consider doing away with all abilities (even sprint) and make it slayer classic with no load-outs. Competitive play begs for simplicity and games focused on teamwork, communication, and shooting ability.

Simplify Arena and place weapons on map to fight over. Armor Abilities just gum up the works and shifts focus away from shooting skill and on to "ace in the hole" tricks.

  • 05.19.2010 10:13 AM PDT
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Posted by: Turtle Boy 77
good thing that assists count for your rating, but k/d spread should be more important in your rating


The formula is basically factoring in K/D spread. In it's simplest form, it adds your kills + assists and then subtracts a portion of your deaths and betrayals.

The basic formula is on this website somewhere. So, if your deaths take away from your score and kills + assists add to it, then a good K/D has to mean a good rank. Of course, you have to be consistently positive or at least have 3 really great games/day.

  • 05.19.2010 10:31 AM PDT
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nyaa

Posted by: mr hinkus
For ultimate competitive play, Bungie should strongly consider doing away with all abilities (even sprint) and make it slayer classic with no load-outs. Competitive play begs for simplicity and games focused on teamwork, communication, and shooting ability.

Simplify Arena and place weapons on map to fight over. Armor Abilities just gum up the works and shifts focus away from shooting skill and on to "ace in the hole" tricks.


I think you are confusing arena with competitive halo play. Arena isn't going to replace tournaments and MLG and stuff like that. Its just a tool for people who own the game to compete and measure their E peen. Their is absolutely no benefit to bungie in locking off that mode's appeal for the casual player by making every rule set the pro rule set. Scrubs need E peen too.

  • 05.19.2010 10:37 AM PDT
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I'm not sure they should sample the three best games. Instead, maybe just factor in all games played? The problem with that though is that some people would play just the minimum games and hope to get a small, but really potent selection of games to average from. It'd be the race to 50 but every month. Players would secure a good rating and then not play to "secure" a good score.

That's what's nice about the individual performance based ratings, which are independent on whether you are on the winning team. However, a good team lends itself to better individual ratings.

But what about role-players such as: sniper, close quarters, bait, mid-range, etc...where players may not all have the most kills and most of the time the sniper/ranged players stay back safe and rack up assisted kills from sacrifice players?

HERE'S A SCENARIO:
Assists are defined as dealing at least 40% of the player's damage before they're killed. Well, what if you have a great team who coordinates and team shoots the crap out of some guy with DMRs? Let's say each player shoots the enemy just once, simultaneously. In a 5-shot situation, they'd each be dealing 20% of the damage. The final 20% will go to someone, but is anyone awarded an assist? The first four shots landed will pop shields and the final head shot/body shot for the kill will be a toss-up among 4 players all shooting the same target. In terms of rating, the lucky guy who lands the killing blow in an otherwise truly assisted situation will be helping his rating, while the TEAM will gain nothing. Now extrapolate that scenario over the course of a game and season. Of course, not every kill will have 4 players shooting the same target, but in concept it's the same as if 2 or 3 guys are shooting the same target.

It is possible for 2 people to have assists for the same kill if they have 40% each and the last goes to someone else.

Bungie, if it's not a factor yet it should be: landed shots(accuracy) should count in some small amount toward rating.

  • 05.19.2010 10:44 AM PDT
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Sir Loin

So the season ended...yay. But is there a breakdown of how I did somewhere. It said I finished in Bronze 2. I know that it's the second lowest division, but can I check how I did inside that division. I have 1.38 K/D spread and go positive on most games. I figured I'd be higher than bronze, but oh well :) What frustrates me is that right now that I'm a bronze and that's all. Maybe I'm missing something but nowhere could I find any deeper statistics than this.

I'm sure they're holding back because it's a beta...at least they better be. If this is all I get then...who cares?

  • 05.19.2010 10:49 AM PDT
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Arena doesn't keep me playing when my friends list is empty like Halo 3 did. There's no really legit way to compare my skill with other people, and see if I'm getting better. I don't see why they couldn't have the arena along with the old level system. To me it's drawbacks were totally worth it and I didn't see enough exploitation in Halo 3 to bother me, and I've played like 5000 ranked matches. All I would change is the number of levels, to make it like 100.

  • 05.19.2010 11:34 AM PDT
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Posted by: KPR Justice
I started arena on the the first wendsday and my lowest rating was 1657 and my highest rating was 1701 and the rest where in the 1670s 1680s 1690s but after my 9th or 8th day a got a RATTING OF BRONZE (2). have friends that have had scores of 1640 as there highest and they have got onix (5)and thats ridiculus scince im better than them. So in the beta i want them to tell you what u need a avrage ever month to get in a certain division.


Welcome to the club to you too! :)

P.S: remember daily ratings are worthless. Dont talk about them.

  • 05.19.2010 11:35 AM PDT
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Bungie should most definitely go back to the halo 2 ranking system. Without a good team it was impossible to get a good ranking. So this forced team play which is what Halo is all about in the first place. This system was fun and kept everyone still playing because of it. Halo 3's system was not fun because it was very very easy to obtain ranks, and the ranks would skip around all of the time. I don't think I ever saw the rank of 2. But that's not the point. Halo 2's system was the only thing that kept me playing. CoD system sucked and only kept people playing for 2 or 3 months. The Arena is fun but it doesn't narrow the players down to the best players. And it erases and starts over after a certain amount of time that is not fun! I want to keep my ranking and I want to keep working on my ranking! BRING HALO 2's SYSTEM BACK PLEASE!

  • 05.19.2010 1:11 PM PDT
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I love Halo Reach! I love Haloverse. I just wanted to get a piece of this. since i played the beta and all. I do agree with a lot of folks around here deaths are not being penalized enough. I also think there should be some kind of multiplier for k/d spread or ratio, whether its good or bad. On a weapons note, sometimes you lose your sight against the background during heavy fire with the pistol. 19kills 19deaths not a good game :( Big last thing, switching to sword plus sprint equals bad experience. (with the sword). shouldn't you balance the fact the sword can be blocked with it being used well on the move. Like how its meant to be used. I hope this doesn't come off any other way than constructive. thanks

  • 05.19.2010 1:43 PM PDT
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I gotta be honest...unless there is a clear cut way of understanding how everyone is rated for arena performance, I'd like to go back to numerical "ladder" rankings. It just seems easier to look at and understand.

  • 05.19.2010 2:02 PM PDT
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just straight up the divisions aren't a fair way to rate a player and it is way to easy to rank up.....and hrmmmmm doesn't this seem like a bad version of the World of Warcraft Arena system?.......I say remove this rating and division system and just go back to the halo2 or 3 system. i would actually rather see the halo2 system make a come back

  • 05.19.2010 2:55 PM PDT
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what turtle boy said

  • 05.19.2010 4:13 PM PDT
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I like arena mode but i wish it was harder so I think Bungie should still have the Arena mode but also have the TRUE SKILL ranking system next to your arena rating


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  • 05.19.2010 4:22 PM PDT
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Posted by: Sir Loin IV
So the season ended...yay. But is there a breakdown of how I did somewhere. It said I finished in Bronze 2. I know that it's the second lowest division, but can I check how I did inside that division. I have 1.38 K/D spread and go positive on most games. I figured I'd be higher than bronze, but oh well :) What frustrates me is that right now that I'm a bronze and that's all. Maybe I'm missing something but nowhere could I find any deeper statistics than this.

I'm sure they're holding back because it's a beta...at least they better be. If this is all I get then...who cares?


Welcome to the club to you too!! wow... it just keeps getting bigger and bigger. I wonder how many members would there be in it, if there was a thread dedicated only to ppl who feel cheated by the new ranking system..... by the way, have you guys seen the amount of Onyx players there is?? i think there's more onyx than steel.

  • 05.19.2010 5:05 PM PDT
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Subject: ARENA, RATING, AND DIVISION IMPRESSIONS AND FEEDBACK
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clan flamer X

yea ha im in steel for 1659, 1660, 1595, 1642, 1635. Love this game. But yea the ratings are glitchy because i see the current rating status glitch switching from two different numbers, for example 1550 and 1645, anyone else see this?

  • 05.19.2010 7:05 PM PDT
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do u know when season 2 arena starts and ends?


Probably around September.

  • 05.19.2010 7:07 PM PDT
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Posted by: Meyeselph
Posted by: mr hinkus
For ultimate competitive play, Bungie should strongly consider doing away with all abilities (even sprint) and make it slayer classic with no load-outs. Competitive play begs for simplicity and games focused on teamwork, communication, and shooting ability.

Simplify Arena and place weapons on map to fight over. Armor Abilities just gum up the works and shifts focus away from shooting skill and on to "ace in the hole" tricks.


I think you are confusing arena with competitive halo play. Arena isn't going to replace tournaments and MLG and stuff like that. Its just a tool for people who own the game to compete and measure their E peen. Their is absolutely no benefit to bungie in locking off that mode's appeal for the casual player by making every rule set the pro rule set. Scrubs need E peen too.


Actually Arena was geared for the hyper competitive. I think grab bag has more than enough playlists to keep the casual player occupied.

  • 05.19.2010 9:51 PM PDT
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Subject: ARENA, RATING, AND DIVISION IMPRESSIONS AND FEEDBACK

YA and thats crap cuz I rocked over 1685 constantly and only TIN

  • 05.19.2010 10:03 PM PDT
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Subject: ARENA, RATING, & DIVISION Impressions/Feedback

In my opinion this arena system should be changed. Only having 5 divisions just is not enough. Having a 1-50 allows for a longer process of achieving the goal rather than making onyx in the first season and having nothing to do after that. Honestly the arena system now is way to much like World of Warcraft's but a much more crappy version of it.

The one thing that makes this system somewhat acceptable is that they give you a percentage at the end. I still have not figured out if that is just for your division or for the entire community but that could be considered a ranking system of its own out of 100. If that were tweaked a little to look more like a ranking than it would be kind of cool.

Also i think bungie should do an arena with FFA. Somehow assists would have to be taken out of the calculation and maybe something else put in but if it worked out i'm sure a lot of people would be happier.

  • 05.19.2010 10:09 PM PDT
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