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Subject: ARENA, RATING, & DIVISION Impressions/Feedback

Post your general thoughts and impressions regarding the Arena in the Halo: Reach Beta.

Rants go elsewhere. Please be constructive. Or else.

KNOWN ISSUES:

-Rating and Division are difficult to understand
-Quitters are not penalized for leaving games
-Proximity Voice is enabled

[Edited on 05.06.2010 11:45 AM PDT]

  • 05.06.2010 11:03 AM PDT
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Known issue, the system is flawed and promotes rushing and bad play. I cannot begin to comprehend why if I go plus 6 the guy who went negative 4 gets a better rating than me. Winning needs to mean more. If winning doesn't have a bigger effect on rating what's motivating people from just stat whoring and not caring about winning. If it stays like this Arena will be about who can Play selfishly the most, and in halo a game that is heavily team oriented that is just wrong.

Why are assists worth 3 deaths? If i want to get a high arena rank i should just run around beating people down and not caring whether I die or not because I'll either get the kill or pick up the assist and that's worth 3 deaths.

My suggestion is to just go back to a win/loss system because individual ratings are bad for halo plus this system does not tell you who is the most skilled at all

The worst part of it in my opinion is now that the fail ranking system even fails at what it was set out to do. "Being onyx will equate to being roger clemens" LOL Yea right. It's so easy to do that so many people have it. That doesnt make sense.

Ok so we all know that the arena system is flawed, but how flawed is it exactly. I decided to find out. I went into a game of arena with the mindset that I wasn't going to get a kill, and see how high the system would rank me. The only reason I even got four kills was because the game started getting close and I didnt want to lose the game because I know that winning should matter. Anyways lets get to the game at hand it was this one. I had four kills yet I was 8 points away from the leader. Does that make any sense, not to me it doesnt.

[Edited on 05.09.2010 11:29 AM PDT]

  • 05.06.2010 11:04 AM PDT
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Subject: ARENA, RATING, AND DIVISION IMPRESSIONS AND FEEDBACK

Arena great, no problems, the ones you mentioned aren't faults

  • 05.06.2010 11:04 AM PDT
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-People betray over weapons and what not because of kill stealing.

  • 05.06.2010 11:05 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ghostrider2121
-There is no covie slayer.

except that, but its in other playlists so not too bad :P

  • 05.06.2010 11:05 AM PDT
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We should get a magnum/plasma pistol in Slayer Pro.

  • 05.06.2010 11:05 AM PDT
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Been Playing since Febuary of 2007. I want Social SWAT :'[

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Division is hard to understand in my opinion..

Somehow I reached Onyx for having 1639, 1635 & 1630 for the past 3 days..

[Edited on 05.06.2010 11:16 AM PDT]

  • 05.06.2010 11:06 AM PDT
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Ah, so there is a seperate thread for arena.

I find the idea behind daily ratings to be silly. It only averages your top three ratings for the day, yet all your ratings contribute towards the division placement, so it really doesn't tell you much.

It should be an average of all the games that you play that day, starting after your third game.

  • 05.06.2010 11:06 AM PDT
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Comparing Halo 2 and 3 to Halo CE is like comparing Checkers to Chess.

Halo has become the McDonalds of video games; sure, it sells a lot, but it makes you feel sick and you promise never to go there again.

- Deaths are not penalized enough.
- Its too easy to reach Onyx.
- It seems the ratings favor playing bad players rather than playing well against good players, although there may be hidden factors in the TrueSkill rating that account for that.

  • 05.06.2010 11:06 AM PDT
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i think that the arena rates a player to fast i played one game and got rated

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Posted by: Hylebos
Ah, so there is a seperate thread for arena.

I find the idea behind daily ratings to be silly. It only averages your top three ratings for the day, yet all your ratings contribute towards the division placement, so it really doesn't tell you much.

It should be an average of all the games that you play that day, starting after your third game.


Agreed.

  • 05.06.2010 11:06 AM PDT
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I think when you do an action you should see on screen how an action helps or hinders your all over score. It could be an in- match thing OR a Post-Game thing.

There should be 3 Types of ARENA
-Lone Wolf
-Team
-Pre-Arranged Teams (4 Players required)

[Edited on 05.06.2010 11:24 AM PDT]

  • 05.06.2010 11:06 AM PDT
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I would prefer if the arena somehow gives even greater incentive for teamwork than it already does now, though I do not have a particular suggestion at the moment as how to do this.

  • 05.06.2010 11:07 AM PDT
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Posted by: TheBigShow
- Deaths are not penalized enough.
- Its too easy to reach Onyx.
- It seems the ratings favor playing bad players rather than playing well against good players, although there may be hidden factors in the TrueSkill rating that account for that.


What rating do I need to be Onyx?

  • 05.06.2010 11:08 AM PDT
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I love halo i'm a huge fan i've read all 7 books and am on my 3rd time through them, i play cod to pass the time till reach comes out. I would fund the entire project if bungie would continue to make halo games even though i don't have that kind of money i would come up with it somehow ily bungie and halo !

AA's should be taken out, to much rush n bashin, melee is way to quick ! increase damage especially in pro what about the player investment system where it shows whos good at what and all that? is that not in the beta or out all together?

  • 05.06.2010 11:08 AM PDT
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1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11

Add SWAT, and also if you're playing with similarly skilled players (teammates) you will usually not get a good rating.

I'll explain a little, if you are playing with 3 noobier friends, and you're good, you can get a 1700 and they'd all get <1500. If you're all good, you'll all most likely get 15-1600.

Don't know if it's a real problem, but some people probably don't like it.

  • 05.06.2010 11:09 AM PDT
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The current formula does not accurately measure skill or success in game. People who are going big time negative are getting good scores while huge team carrying positives are not rewarded.

Assists are weighted too heavily and deaths to lightly.

[Edited on 05.06.2010 11:11 AM PDT]

  • 05.06.2010 11:09 AM PDT
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Penalties like creds reduce for known Quitters would be nice... not just guys and gals unlucky to have been knocked out for Internet connections issues... Maybe more cred bonuses for sticking around to end of the game if the entire team quits... that would be awesome...

[Edited on 05.06.2010 11:11 AM PDT]

  • 05.06.2010 11:09 AM PDT
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No.

The arena is good, butyou need to punish players more for dieing, and reward players less for assists.

I suggest:

1 pointfor Kill
0.75 points for Assist
-0.75 points for Deaths

Then times by the constant you have assigned. Will be much more accurate.

  • 05.06.2010 11:10 AM PDT
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1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11

Posted by: SummerAce
AA's should be taken out, to much rush n bashin


Well, Slayer Pro/Classic only have one AA. They could possibly remove Sprint from these gametypes later, and if people vote for them you'll get what you want. If people vote for normal Team Slayer, then there will be AA's.

  • 05.06.2010 11:10 AM PDT
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Posted by: Ghostrider2121
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Posted by: Ghostrider2121
-There is no covie slayer.

except that, but its in other playlists so not too bad :P


I know it's not a problem, But Covie Slayer should be in Arena.

Agreed, but with more stripped down gametypes, like spawning with 1 grenade and stuff, especially in th final game, although it will probably have a covie arena playlist *looks to bungie hopefully*

  • 05.06.2010 11:10 AM PDT
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|| Slayer 50 || Doubles 50 || Swat 50 || Lone Wolves 48 || MLG 45 || Squad Battle 40 || Objective 35 ||

Onyx rating here apparently.

Going in alone and matching 4's, shouldn't be allowed in the only "rated playlist".

Promotes Hammer / Sword / Shotgun camping.

Teamwork is only through going in with a team, NOBODY plays to win, they only play to get rating. (Which ironically loses them the game and they get a poor score)

I assumed Slayer Pro would be standard, I was wrong.

Rating seems to be a bit wonky, some games I play exactly the same K/D assists etc wise, and get different ratings.

  • 05.06.2010 11:10 AM PDT
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